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Aeon_Xin · Nov 18, 2005, 08:31 AM // 08:31

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Originally Posted by jesh

Think about it this way. The aggro bubble is the monsters aggro range, agreed, but think about it like this. If your bubble is reduced by even 95%, it won't make a difference for one reason. If you run through a monsters bubble, (which is still the same!), then you'll still get aggro, regardless of how small it appears on your screen. The only way to implement this would be to reduce EVERYTHING'S aggro range, which seems like a pain in the @ss.

Players don't have aggro bubbles. We can see, i know we've walked up to something been like wow, I'm going to go kill that, surpised it's not attacking me though.....Then you look up and it's outside of the aggro cylinder. Monsters are simply near sighted and hard of hearing.

What we have is a representation of how close to us a monster has to be in order to see/sense/hear us. Now, if you reduce that range partially, or increase it, the cylinder should adjust accordingly, to give a rough representation of how close you can get without alerting a monster of your presence. Suggested assassin skill's if approved could allow sneaking, possibly at a slower pace, which would ideally shrink the cylinder for that specific player.

Aggro Cylinder is also a misnomer, Think of it as Output Cylinder. You reflect light only that far, or emit sound only that far.(as far as monster Ai is concerned).

Say if you're running up, and an enemy is approaching from the left, running to the right, and passes right behind your Output Cylinder, 90% of the time He won't aggro on henchies or on you, even though, by accounts of the radar, he just ran right through the group of them. That's happened to me countless times, so many as to be the ultimate majority.

That leads me to believe that no AI has an actual aggro range, anything stepping X close(aside from us) gets attacked. And for us, it's defined by the Circle on our mini-map. Those occurances where you find monsters fighting, or NPC's fighing monsters, I believe that's all staged triggers 90% of the time.

Though there are the NPC's on occasion you have to rush to defend to aquire quests because sometimes, they are dead before you get there.

We'll only know for sure if some Dev offers expert input on how the Cylinder(formerly referred to as "bubble") is used, in laymans terms of course.

From what I've seen, monsters may aggro on eachother through accident, or it's staged, or it's a glitch. I could be wrong, I was ....once, but I believe your post is faulty for the reasons explained above, and if it's not, that the game needs some major re-working to become more flexible for future classes and skills.

To Phades for the above post.

I can't recall at the moment what you posted before, and at the moment I am unwilling to read the thread backwards. Eh.

I haven't played with a spell that causes exhaustion, so I've got limited knowledge of it's mechanics.
I was attempting to scratch up a plain example of how to deal with it. If I unwittingly posted a mechanic that is currently used in the game, I put my foot half way in my mouth. There's always that risk of stepping out from one's experience.

In relation to that, and about the Output Cylinder, it would be nice for an actual GW dev/programmer, whatever you call them, that is knowledgable on the topic, to step in and explain the mechanics as they are, so that some of the more innovative ideas can be typed in so they're atleast within the realm of possibility as far as programming for them. Or if they would offer a vote of confidence for a type of skill/set/attribute, players could focus on those, a little bit of direction so we atleast know if we're on a good track.

Back to assassins, you could make thier one hitter skills, that people want to use adrenaline for or whatever, in the primary, so that it's not abused by other classes.

I agree that not working out the cost of using something with grand damage could throw off balance.

But with proper costs, it could be a great tool for highly organized skilled guilds to use.

An assassin uses something dangerous, that could very well get him killed with one or two hits after he's done I believe is within the realm of possibility. A properly coordinated guild could utilize it well, and a less experienced player with high hopes wanting that insta gratification would find himself sorely lacking as his corpse hits the ground time after time.
IE, The pre-patch AoE fire elementalist who played PvE all the way to lvl 20/game completion, then stepped into the PvP arena with all AoE and AoE support spells. They moved out of it? That's not fair!!!!

A team with an assassin would have to sweep up, AND guard the debilitated Assassin, or the score for The assassins kill would equalize with his own death and nothing more.

Also, A team of all assassins, would be no different than a team with all AoE fire ele's, in mass numbers and good strategy they could very well rule any given place and time, as could any class with great skilled players, even the rangers alot of people complain about being underpowered.

Phades · Nov 18, 2005, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Aeon_Xin

From what I've seen, monsters may aggro on eachother through accident, or it's staged, or it's a glitch. I could be wrong, I was ....once, but I believe your post is faulty for the reasons explained above, and if it's not, that the game needs some major re-working to become more flexible for future classes and skills.

There are factions, from what i can tell, between some of the monster types. You can, in some areas, lead one group of npc monsters to a different group and watch them kill each other. Minotaurs in the desert hate the salivating cactus, while some worms hate all creatures. There is definatly a dynamic to the npc target selection for hate, but it does largely revolve around what is closest to them. There are definatly traits set in place for behavior, but i cant think of all of them, or probably taken note when some of them occured at this time.

Symeon · Nov 18, 2005, 08:49 AM // 08:49

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Originally Posted by actionjack

Hi, I am new here.. first time poster... hello all.

I will paste my old Assassin Concept Class that I had before here as well...

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Class name: Assassin
Favored Weapons: Daggers that is faster than sword, but weaker in damage. Throwing Weapons with comparable stat range to that of bow (see more detail in the Notes)
Energy: 25 with basic armors; 3 Regen pips.
Armor: The max AL should be around 60-70 range.
Premise: Assassin does what assassin do, which is to assassinate their prime targets. While weaker in normal attack and armor, they are able to use their skills to dump massive spike attack to a foe, however doing so will often leave them defensiveness. Also have some skills for sneaking and dodging. With throwing weapons, they are able to cover a wider range, and have several other skills that can be combo with other. However, they also have to be played with a bit of luck.
Look: Assassin’s outfit range from one of an Arabian style look, to tight leather jerkin and pants look, to a cloth more eastern style ninja armor. Often sports a mask or hood.
Attributes:
Shadow Art (primary):
Increase the efficiency of Shadow Art Skills. Also can hide equipped weapon until attacking.
Dagger Mastery:
Increase the efficiency of Dagger Skills and use of a Dagger Weapon.
Precisions Strike:
Increase the efficiency of Precision Strike skills.
Throwing Mastery:
Increase the efficiency of Dagger Skills and use of a Dagger Weapon.
Duel Wield (Possible replacing attribute):
Increase the efficiency of Duel Wield Skills and use wielding duel weapons.
(Duel Wield "could" be included with Assassin, but don't have to be. It can be added to another class such as Samurai or Fencer. I did wrote a more extended description on how it might work, but won't post it here)

Notes:

Stalk Chance: Stalk chance is an additional game mechanic to make Assassin play differently, and also as a drawback. Stalk refers to the action where the Assassin is observing his foe’s movement and look for the weak spot in their defense, waiting for the right opportunity to strike in. This means a skill that has stalk chance will usually shown in dark color, where if you use it in that state, you will have (50%-33%) chance of failur. You will have to wait for the chance where it will become enable. Per every second while engaged, there will be a chance (estimated to be around 33%) that that skill will become bright color (will stat that way for 1 or 2 second, before it goes to chance roll again). At this time, that skill will not fail to use (unless you miss or got block or they evade). This make it so that the player will have to pay full attention to their skill bar, waiting for its skill to come in use, and the thrill that comes with it.

Throwing Weapon: A new weapon type. You don’t lost them or need to pick them up when thrown. Beside the usual damage stats, there are two more number that goes with it, “pack” and “reloading time” Pack is how many you can throw before it run out, reloading is how long till it return to your hand. So say you have a Throwing knife with pack of 4 and reloading of 6 seconds, and attack speed of 1 per throw. You would throw 4 of them in 4 seconds before running out, and you would need to wait 2 more seconds before the first one returns to you so that you can attack again. Thus a throwing weapon that has more pack and less reloading is better. Also have the attack range of that of a short bow.

Skill Examples:

-Shadow Art- Skills that lure and confuse you foe. Also have basic stealth type for sneaking around those who are not looking.

Shadow Clone:
For the next 8+ seconds, two clones appear next to you. The clones look exactly like you, copy your movement, can be targeted by opponents, cannot use skill or attack, and have health of one point.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 30 seconds.
Casting time: 2 second.
Linked Attribute: Shadow Art.

Duplicate Clone:
For the next 5+ seconds, one clone appears next to you. The clones look darker, copy your movement and attack at your target, has half of your attack power, can be targeted by opponents, and have health of one.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 30 seconds.
Casting time: 2 second.
Linked Attribute: Shadow Technique.

Shadow Melt:
For the next 8+ seconds, you will become dark puddle of shadow on the ground. While in this mode, you can move at half of your normal movement speed, become less visible and thus harder to be target by opponent, cannot be damage by physical attack. You cannot attack while in this mode. This skill end when you use a skill and easily interrupted when casting.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 60 seconds.
Casting time: 3 second.

Shadow Slip:
For the next 8+ seconds, you become a standing shadow. Your name can be selected by foe, but cannot be target by their attack of spell. This skill end when you move, use a skill, or attack.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 60 seconds.
Casting time: 3 second.

Shadow Walk:
For the next 8+ seconds, you become a half transparent shadow. In this mode you become less visible and increase 50%+ dodge rate. You can still be targeted and damage by attacks. This skill end when you use a skill or receive any damage.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 40 seconds.
Casting time: 2 second.

Smoke Bomb:
Covers the area around you with smoke for the duration of 4+ seconds. Anyone inside this area will decrease in accuracy and increase in dodge by 50%. Also the smoke can visually block opponent from seeing what action you are taking inside the smoke.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 30 seconds.
Casting time: 1 second.

Shadow Jump:
Within a mid range, you are teleported next to your target for 5+ seconds. After the duration you are teleported back to your original place.
Energy Cost: 20
Recharge time: 60 seconds.
Casting time: 2 second.

Wood Displacement Technique:
For the next 3+ seconds, any attack or skill use against you will be missed and hits a log dummy instead. It will also send you few steps back. This skill ends if you attack or use a skill.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 30 seconds.
Casting time: Next attack.

-Dagger Mastery- Skills that enhance your use of daggers, allowing you to deal more damage or conditions to your target foe. Most of Dagger skills also involve the Stalking system.

Backstab:
This attack will deal 10+ extra damage if attack from the back.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 6 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Cloaked Dagger:
This attack cannot be dodge, block, parry, or counter and deals 10+ extra damages.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: 2 Seconds. (Stalk)

Throat Slash:
If this attack hit, will cause 4+ extra damage and Bleed for 4+ seconds
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Eyeball Stab:
If this attack hit, will cause 4+ extra damages and Blindness for 3+ seconds
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Triple Stab:
Will attack in quick succession with a dagger for 3 times.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 15 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Flying Dagger:
Attack the target from range, dealing 25%+ armor penetration. For the next 5 seconds, you cannot use your equipped dagger.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Knife Slip:
If this attack hit, will have 50%+ armor penetration.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Poison Dagger:
If this attack hit, will cause Poison on foe for 5+ seconds.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Acid Dagger:
If this attack hit, will reduce target’s armor rating for 20%+ for 5+ seconds.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Cursed Strike:
If this attack hit, will reduce target’s energy regen by 3 arrow, as a Hex.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Spell Seeker:
Deals no damage. If target is casting a spell, it will disrupt that spell and made target unable to use any spell skill for 3 seconds.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack. (Stalk)

Quick Strike:
For the next 8+ seconds, increase the attack speed. This skill end when use another skill.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 45 seconds.
Casting time: 2 Seconds.

-Precision Strike- Skills that allow you to have more accurate strikes against your foe, dealing more damage and kill them quickly. Also have several stance that help enhance stalk chance. Can work with all physical weapons (melee, bow, or throwing)

Read Moves:
For the next 8+ seconds, increase % accuracy of stalk chance.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 30 seconds.
Casting time: 2 Seconds.

Perfect Stalk:
Will have 100% stalk chance accuracy on the next attack skills.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 20 seconds.
Casting time: 2 Seconds.

Weak Point:
For the next 8+ seconds, your attack has 10%+ armor penetration.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 45 seconds.
Casting time: 2 Seconds.

Head Strike:
Attack head, dealing 4+extra damage. 25% of causing daze.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 15 seconds. (stalk)
Casting time: Next Attack.
(work even better when you have some other ways of lowering their armor on the head, like thief’s Steal Helmet Skill)

Body Strike:
Attack head, dealing 4+extra damage. 25% of causing deep wound.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 15 seconds. (stalk)
Casting time: Next Attack.

Death Strike:
Deal 1-32 more damage. This damage is double if you target is above 50% health.
Energy Cost: 20 (exhaustion)
Recharge time: 30 seconds. (stalk)
Casting time: Next Attack.

Defenseless Strike:
Deal 1-48 more damage. Your AL is decrease by 10-10 for the next 5 second.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 10 seconds. (stalk)
Casting time: Next Attack.

Open Wound:
If hit a target with deep wound, will remove that condition but deals a damage equal to 25% of their health.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 10 seconds. (stalk)
Casting time: Next Attack.

-Throwing Weapon Master- Skills that enhance your use of Throwing type weapons.

Triple Throw:
Throw 3 of your equipped throwing weapon at your foe at once.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack.

Exploding Rune:
Your next throwing weapon attack will deal 10+ more fire damage to all near by foe.
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack.

Hidden Blade:
For the next 8+ seconds, your throwing weapon will become invisible and deal 1+ more damage. Your opponent will not able to see it.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 20 seconds.
Casting time: 1 second.

Power Throw:
Your next throwing weapon attack will deal 15+ more damage.
Energy Cost: 10
Recharge time: 10 seconds.
Casting time: Next Attack.

Shadow Throwing Weapon Double:
For the next 8+ seconds, the pack of your throwing weapon will increase double.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 30 seconds.
Casting time: 1 second.

Returning Throw:
Return all the thrown throwing weapon back to you.
Energy Cost: 15
Recharge time: 30 seconds.
Casting time: 1 second.

Balancing Issues: With Stalk, Assassin will be played differently from that of Warrior. They should have more damage output, but also with a higher risk since they have lower armor and their stalk skills are chance based. However, a War/Assi and visa versa is also a good combinations, depend on your build. Also this was work with other light armor/melee concept class in mind, such as Martial Artist, Thief, and Rogue. While they seem similar, there are still a good differences between them.

Wow. Read it all and I'm ultra-happy

On a side note: Guys, we are posting hundreds of ideas but don't seem to be commenting much on each other. So comment on people's posts, and so we can try to make a more developed idea that we all agree on.

Aeon_Xin · Nov 18, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by Phades

There are factions, from what i can tell, between some of the monster types. You can, in some areas, lead one group of npc monsters to a different group and watch them kill each other. Minotaurs in the desert hate the salivating cactus, while some worms hate all creatures. There is definatly a dynamic to the npc target selection for hate, but it does largely revolve around what is closest to them. There are definatly traits set in place for behavior, but i cant think of all of them, or probably taken note when some of them occured at this time.

I'm only to ToA, and I've seen little to none that didn't appear to be a simple trigger, but I'm glad to hear that it's out there, it could certainly be more evident early on though.
I stated I was unsure of relations between monster and monster, since Henchies really do not represent the AI of the things that want to kill me, aside from henchies being a cause of my death quite often.

My "aggro bubble" theory still stands for the most part, as I noted at the bottom, It doesn't make sense(the way others described it), and if it really is that way, it needs fixin' something fierce.

I did edit a post above in a reply to your post, eh, we're replying while the other is replying, and making a bit of a cluster F here....

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

Wow. Read it all and I'm ultra-happy

On a side note: Guys, we are posting hundreds of ideas but don't seem to be commenting much on each other. So comment on people's posts, and so we can try to make a more developed idea that we all agree on.

I'm doing a good deal of "commenting".
I just hope people don't get the wrong idea and get defensive. I'm not attempting to incite a riot.
I just want the *important readers(read:dev) to see that there is protest against this or that theory, and state reasons why. I've gotten over the fact that people want to be heard, even if it's the same ideas(my only real annoyance) weather it's from the game or from other posts.

I think part of the problem, is the huge posts of the entire class, it intimidates people, and looks as if you're saying "I Made this assassin, and I won't support any other way". That's the way I read it, even if there's the obligatory "I accept any further ideas".
Eh, I'm highly opinionated.

I think a better route would have been accomplished in stages, instead of everything lumped together.
Put up a Suggestion for persona of an Assassin.
Does he use magic, or is it real life means of accomplishing the same effect
should he have access to adrenaline or stances.
And a few other Ideas, and then maybe poll all of that.

Then move onto Attributes, with a few example skills, so that the people, had an idea of what above traits all the other people would approve on, and could base names and skill mechanics on that.
And then have a thread for each attribute, to include defining Primary attributes passive type skill(one hitting, invisibility, %dodge attacks whatever the case) and for all skills.

Eh, you get the idea.

Aeon_Xin · Nov 18, 2005, 10:18 AM // 10:18

Yes it's a double post(2 in a row), but I would like to attempt to get the thread back on topic.
The purpose of this post is to adress some of the major issues, and bring the late comers up to date a little.

Assassins.

3 Views as to what an assassin should be over all.
Magic using, and non Magic using(possible benifit of non magic using is a natural partial immunity to some magics, weather illusionary or elemental was not discussed)
Ninja type, to include weaponry.

Under debate is use of adrenaline, stances, and weapon specific attributes, the viability of programming for invisibility/cloaking/sneaking.

Other than the above, these general Ideas have been posted:

Off hand discussion.
Dual wielding - to include, one hand a melee, one hand ranged, or two of either.
Someone mentinoed that they not get an offhand that improves energy as per the rangers.(aside from a Secondary class's equipment)

Attributes:
Dagger specialty(and/or light swords- rapier scimitar, generally excepted weapons that require skill and not brute strength)
Distraction and stealthing(magical or non magical is moot, the effects can be rendered either way)
Powders(many different types with different effects)
Ranged weaponry( to include crossbows, throwing spikes, and assorted ninja weaponry.)
Uber damage, at an extreme cost(discussion as an alternate to adrenaline, as as to balance, in progress)
Invisibility/stealth/cloaking(all ranges from reduced presence to completely undetectable, feasibility of programming it[and balancing it] has contention on both sides of the fence)
Damage avoidance/Speed gains(to include the ability to "buff" another's speed, just how much of a boost is under argument also)

Gear:
Armor- not highly duscussed, some suggested an added chance to dodge, generally accepted it should be light, not really a hot topic
Weaponry is mainly noted above, not all that hot of a topic either.

General:
Stats, it's stated that HP is decreased, as it's also stated that energy is lower than the norm, even that energy recovery has less than 4 pips(can't remember the #) But both are not referenced in the same post.

I believe that sums it up. Feel free to add below. There have been alot of skills such as backstab listed, and the redundancy of things like that, and skills that are basic skills already used in game but renamed, are a personal annoyance to me, and possibility to some other readers.

I just couldn't get away with a completely neutral post.......

Also, I think on page one there was a Dev posted about thinking outside the box, as it's an expansion, means totally new mechanics could be added.
Also means, that this thread, atleast then, was being read by *important people. Which should encourage good behavior, while heated discussion isn't all bad, actual flames or sparks are .

If you feel you have original content idea's, I personally request that you search the thread and read applicable. I am in no way speaking for Mods, Forum, or any GM/Dev/programmer, though at times I feel like someone reading might think so. I just love this community(read: I'm just a forum junkie). If you want to further a discussion, please make references to the original poster, or use quotes, or just make a note of it and give a brief description of what you're talking about.
These are all pleas, and are not to be taken as If I'm teaching politness 101 with an iron fist.

Symeon · Nov 18, 2005, 12:06 PM // 12:06

I agree the assassin should have some kind of half-magic abilites, otherwise he would be a bit boring...

Bale_Shadowscar · Nov 18, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

The Magic idea... I don't really think that assassins should be able to utilise magic directly (In damage dealing spells/mesmer-style spells) as I think that they will probably bring out a new spellcaster profession as well, but perhaps the assassins 'teleport' abilities (as hinted at in the story) could be magic based.

Can I ask people to comment on my 'Hunted' condition idea? I think its pretty good, as it fits in with the idea of the assassin going after one particular enemy.

HUNTED: Target who is "hunted" takes 10% extra damage from all sources. Only one target may be 'hunted' at once.

Perhaps we could expand on that idea and have a soul reaping style effect that means when the assassin kills it's 'hunted' target, it regains some energy/hp.

Also, another idea I think is pretty good: A skill that, if it kills a target, makes their corspe unuseable.

Also I think the idea that Aeon Xin posted about having a stance perhaps, that decreases your AL, but increases your damage output is pretty cool. It could tie in with the 'hunted' idea, as a 'last effort' move to kill the hunted target and get HP back etc.

Aeon_Xin · Nov 18, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

I agree the assassin should have some kind of half-magic abilites, otherwise he would be a bit boring...

There are very few skills that you couldn't explain with non-magical means.

Even, shadow clone(mentioned above), for example. You could Call it Double vision, and have it be a hallucinatory effect from a thrownpoison/powder/blowgun dart.
So many skills could be related to hallucination

Teleportation could just be Inhuman Speed

Invisibility, the one skill I think would be a must have, would be the hardest I could explain at the moment, but I did just wake up.

Healing could be some drug or herb that acts like PCP, but it would have to be called something public friendly, not PCP or heroin, though you get the point.
Kind of like a rangers troll unguent. Really fits in I think. 100% skill and intelligence, as far as story, goes. It wouldn't change how they're used in PvP or in PvE. The point I'm making Is more asthetic than strategic.

Xue Yi Liang · Nov 18, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Here are some of my ideas posted earlier - revised and collected with some additions.

Just as monks are the bane of necromancers (e.g. Scourge Sacrifice) - the Assassin is the bane of Warriors. They will have skills that reflect this - such as disarm/blinding attacks, etc. Staves and blunt assassin weapons may have interrupt and disarming bonuses while blades and assassin hooks can have bleeding or hamstring bonuses.

One of the assassin's weapons is a staff. This means a Monk/Assassin can use a monk's staff as an effective melee weapon, too (disarm skills, interrupting attacks)... or maybe Assassins are versatile enough so that, in addition to Assassin weapons, they can use certain caster weapons (rods, cesta etc.) as well as swords, axes and hammers for melee attacks.

If an assassin deals the "killing blow" on an enemy there is an increased probability that the resulting drop will be theirs. The improved odds are a function of the Assassin's primary(?) attribute.

The assassin's natural vulnerability may be against the undead (which makes sense if you think about it) since most of their skills (eg. deception skills, bleeding conditions. poisons etc. ) are most effective against the living.

Some skills:

Nerve Strike: breaks the target warrior's stance and resets adrenalin to zero.

Trip: Attack. Essentially a knockdown attack but doesn't do the damage of a hammer attack.

Mute: temporarily disables targeted foe's "Shouts." (*cough* IWAY *cough*)

Cone of Silence: like Mute but works over an area.

Deafness: (new condition) target foe gets a defense penalty against attacks from sides and behind.

Climb/Rappel: allows the Assassin to climb up some areas too steep to walk (e.g. as a shortcut to circumvent some of the long winding paths on mountain faces, or as a way to climb walls without having to get through the main gates.)

Perhaps an Assassin can stay attached to a wall (a la Spiderman) (for a limited duration?) and initiate attacks from there where he is temporarily safe from melee. Maybe, if he/she were to take enough damage (from ranged attacks or spells) there is a risk of "fall" injury.
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Multiply : creates a complete illusion duplicate of yourself (without health or abilities).
In PvP an opponent who is in the habit of just "targeting and attacking" the nearest person would probably end up wasting his first attack on the illusion. The illusion looks exactly like the caster and moves like him/her but doesn't absorb or inflict damage. In fact, one can walk right through it. It's just there to confound the enemy's ability to target.
In PvE - the enemy's attacks are divided.
Perhaps higher levels can grant more than one illusion.

Malicious Doppleganger: Caster temporarily becomes a carbon-copy of the targeted foe with same effective weapons, armor (which can't be un-equipped) and skillbar. Health and energy, however, aren't changed. This skill has a pretty significant initial energy cost and costs 1pip of energy to maintain. As long as it is maintained - the skillbar is replaced with the enemy's skillbar (so the caster "loses" their other skills as long as the enchantment is maintained). This can be used on monsters and other non-humans (bosses?).

For example, this skill can be used in PvP to become a monk (using the opponent's monk as a template) if more healing is needed or become a mesmer, or warrior as the situation requires.

The caster could benefit from energy support and buffering from teammates to maintain the enchantment.

Benevolent Doppleganger: like Malicious Doppleganger but targets an ally instead.
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Immunity: temporary immunity to poison/disease conditions

Willpower: temporary immunity to dazed/weakness conditions

Defer Injury: Enchantment. For x seconds, the caster is immune to any spike damage. When the enchantment ends the caster receives the cumulative damage + n% all at once.

Death Sleep: Enchantment. For x seconds, if the Assassin's health falls below 25%(?) of maximum health, the Assassin will lapse into a coma simulating death for x# seconds. After that time passes the Assassin will instantly "ressurect" with 50%(?) health and 50%(?) energy and losing any conditions, hexes or enchantments. No death penalty is incurred for a Death Sleep.

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Affliction: This is a class of skills exclusive to the Assassin profession. As such, an affliction cannot be removed by Condition Removals or Hex Removals. Afflictions generally don't cause direct damage and target only one(?) person. (For purposes of game balance consider applying some penalty to the caster of an affliction). Only one affliction can be in effect at a time per caster. Casting an affliction will cause any existing affliction to end. This concept stems from the Assassin's preference for single targets. For example:

Deathmark: Affliction. As long as Deathmark is in effect the target foe takes n% additional damage from any attacks made by the caster. As long as Deathmark is in effect the caster has a penalty (decreased Armor? increased damage?) for attacks from all enemies except the target.

Deathpact: Affliction. Both caster and target foe suffer from n# pips of health degeneration.

Unis · Nov 18, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15

jumping!!! why cant characters jump in Gw!! lol

Al

Aeon_Xin · Nov 18, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Impressively innovative and out of the box.
Aside from the delievery mavic vs explainable, I liked the content, some of the things such as resetting a warriors adrenaline to zero, that's brilliant. Someone that fast and quick would obviously give even the most brutish and dumb warriors shrinkage.

Guardian of the Light · Nov 18, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

OO I just came up with another Idea.

Spell Reflect
Recharge: 30
Energy: 10
The Next spell that is Cast on you fails and all effects of the spell go to the Caster.

The Idea of is that the assassin uses his weapon and slashs at the spell driving back where it came from. Good because you can reflect spell that the caster thinks is SO good (like Life Transfer) and turn it on him/her. Disadvantage would be the fact that it reflects ALL spells inculting postive spells like heal breeze and that fact this is a one time thing.

I also think the assassin should be good at killing IWAY and minion master groups.

Leader: "O crap IWAY how are we going to defeat them?"

Assassin "Don't worry I'll take care of it Warriors and Nercos don't have anti-cloak spells

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IWAY Blood Nerco:" Ok were just going to hope these guys are noobs o..aaaa....(dies)"

IWAY Warriors "O its a Assassin get him get him.....where'd he go?"

Assassin "kekekekekeke Slashs Death Nerco"

IWAY Warrior "O ya we have sigs"

Assassin keeps Killing Nercos and then kills IWAY WArriors.

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But a Balanced group could bring an Anti-Cloak spell and totally crush the scishy Assassins.

Oryaka Drake · Nov 19, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57

Well i would like to say its nice to see that people are already trying to make this the rouge from WoW.......WAKE UP CALL IT IS NOT. This is a balanced game here, this class isnt supposed to have the ability to do over 200 damage in one shot like most people seem to want! rant off....

Personally, arena net has done a good job with adding this class as it is what most of the player base has been wanting for a while now... a low armor melee class.

Skill sets should be as follows...

Main attribute either Stealth or Finess<---- most likely will be something like finess.
Other attributes should most likely include....

Throwing weapons(most likely throwing stars and throwing knives)
Dagger Mastery(would include small weapons, or light weight swords)
Shadow Disciplines

dual wielding might be a possibility, but i believe that the picture might have just simply been a concept.

jesh · Nov 19, 2005, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar

Can I ask people to comment on my 'Hunted' condition idea? I think its pretty good, as it fits in with the idea of the assassin going after one particular enemy.

Sounds good to me.

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Also, another idea I think is pretty good: A skill that, if it kills a target, makes their corspe unuseable.

It's called Malign Intervention.

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Invisibility, the one skill I think would be a must have, would be the hardest I could explain at the moment, but I did just wake up.

In a certain series of books that I read, there were the Unseen, a secret sect of elven assassins who used magically woven robes to blend in with their surroundings. The cloth they wore would blend in with the surrounding textures and light, rendering them nearly invisible once they mastered the art of moving smoothly and slowly.

There's one for you.

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Originally Posted by Oryaka Drake

Well i would like to say its nice to see that people are already trying to make this the rouge from WoW.......WAKE UP CALL IT IS NOT. This is a balanced game here, this class isnt supposed to have the ability to do over 200 damage in one shot like most people seem to want! rant off....

You realize warriors can already do this?

Bale_Shadowscar · Nov 19, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56

I like the idea of resetting a warrior's adrenaline, and also the 'Immunity' ideas. Not sure about the whole "if attacked from behind" ideas though, as I think it owuld be pretty hard to make it work correctly, and sometimes characters face the wrong way.

Phades · Nov 19, 2005, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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